1 00:00:08,470 --> 00:00:06,630 [Music] 2 00:00:11,270 --> 00:00:08,480 welcome to the skeptic zone 3 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:11,280 the podcast from australia for science 4 00:00:25,029 --> 00:00:16,850 and reason 5 00:00:29,750 --> 00:00:26,950 yes it's the skeptic's own podcast 6 00:00:33,990 --> 00:00:29,760 episode number 622 7 00:00:36,069 --> 00:00:34,000 for the 13th of september 2020 8 00:00:37,750 --> 00:00:36,079 richard saunders coming to you from 9 00:00:40,549 --> 00:00:37,760 sydney australia i'm in yo 10 00:00:42,310 --> 00:00:40,559 park it's a nice big park not too far 11 00:00:44,229 --> 00:00:42,320 from the skeptic's own studios on a nice 12 00:00:47,830 --> 00:00:44,239 sunday morning 13 00:00:48,630 --> 00:00:47,840 and somebody has obviously bought a new 14 00:00:51,990 --> 00:00:48,640 toy 15 00:00:54,069 --> 00:00:52,000 of a giant remote controlled four-wheel 16 00:00:55,990 --> 00:00:54,079 drive and they're 17 00:00:58,790 --> 00:00:56,000 zooming it all around the park you might 18 00:01:02,630 --> 00:00:58,800 be able to hear it in the background 19 00:01:03,029 --> 00:01:02,640 i've had the habit over the last four or 20 00:01:05,670 --> 00:01:03,039 five 21 00:01:08,710 --> 00:01:05,680 months of this pandemic to make sure i 22 00:01:11,109 --> 00:01:08,720 regularly exercise with very long walks 23 00:01:12,230 --> 00:01:11,119 and it does me a world of good it really 24 00:01:13,910 --> 00:01:12,240 does 25 00:01:15,910 --> 00:01:13,920 so i'm sitting out here in the semi 26 00:01:17,429 --> 00:01:15,920 nature with the remote controlled cars 27 00:01:20,630 --> 00:01:17,439 zipping around 28 00:01:22,469 --> 00:01:20,640 there it is zooming over there but i 29 00:01:23,749 --> 00:01:22,479 think you can also hear the birds in the 30 00:01:25,590 --> 00:01:23,759 trees 31 00:01:27,830 --> 00:01:25,600 chirping away and some cars oh there's a 32 00:01:31,109 --> 00:01:27,840 bird right now just flew 33 00:01:32,870 --> 00:01:31,119 above me going away now 34 00:01:34,149 --> 00:01:32,880 exciting isn't it and the weather report 35 00:01:36,230 --> 00:01:34,159 of course you'd love to hear the weather 36 00:01:38,830 --> 00:01:36,240 report from sydney australia 37 00:01:41,109 --> 00:01:38,840 it's uh slightly overcast but quite 38 00:01:43,990 --> 00:01:41,119 pleasant now those birds you can hear 39 00:01:47,190 --> 00:01:44,000 are rainbow lorikeets 40 00:01:49,350 --> 00:01:47,200 very colorful parrots 41 00:01:50,469 --> 00:01:49,360 now i suppose you want to know what's 42 00:01:53,429 --> 00:01:50,479 coming up this week 43 00:01:54,310 --> 00:01:53,439 on the skeptic zone podcast we're going 44 00:01:57,270 --> 00:01:54,320 to dive 45 00:01:58,469 --> 00:01:57,280 once more into the treasure trove that 46 00:02:00,069 --> 00:01:58,479 is trove 47 00:02:01,990 --> 00:02:00,079 the online resource from the national 48 00:02:03,590 --> 00:02:02,000 library of australia 49 00:02:06,230 --> 00:02:03,600 a couple of weeks ago we were looking 50 00:02:08,229 --> 00:02:06,240 for clairvoyance through history 51 00:02:09,510 --> 00:02:08,239 as reported in various magazines and 52 00:02:13,430 --> 00:02:09,520 periodicals 53 00:02:17,110 --> 00:02:13,440 this week we're going to be looking for 54 00:02:19,430 --> 00:02:17,120 yowie hunts those times in 55 00:02:21,270 --> 00:02:19,440 the recent past where people have set 56 00:02:22,790 --> 00:02:21,280 off into the australian outback or the 57 00:02:25,190 --> 00:02:22,800 bush or the 58 00:02:26,710 --> 00:02:25,200 forest the wilderness to search for the 59 00:02:30,710 --> 00:02:26,720 australian 60 00:02:32,309 --> 00:02:30,720 bigfoot known as the yowie 61 00:02:34,390 --> 00:02:32,319 it's something i certainly remember when 62 00:02:35,990 --> 00:02:34,400 i was a little kid people going out 63 00:02:39,589 --> 00:02:36,000 hunting for yowies and they still 64 00:02:41,110 --> 00:02:39,599 do believe it or not after that we catch 65 00:02:42,229 --> 00:02:41,120 up with some news from the center for 66 00:02:44,150 --> 00:02:42,239 inquiry 67 00:02:46,470 --> 00:02:44,160 you may remember earlier this year they 68 00:02:49,830 --> 00:02:46,480 were taking walmart and some other 69 00:02:51,910 --> 00:02:49,840 companies to court about selling 70 00:02:54,390 --> 00:02:51,920 homeopathy on their shelves 71 00:02:55,350 --> 00:02:54,400 we get an update from that and it's not 72 00:02:58,630 --> 00:02:55,360 all smooth 73 00:02:59,670 --> 00:02:58,640 sailing so far then we have a report 74 00:03:01,830 --> 00:02:59,680 from the 75 00:03:03,190 --> 00:03:01,840 skeptrek live which was just last 76 00:03:05,190 --> 00:03:03,200 weekend 77 00:03:07,750 --> 00:03:05,200 find out what that was all about and how 78 00:03:13,910 --> 00:03:10,869 and after that a very strange 79 00:03:16,149 --> 00:03:13,920 case indeed where a friend of mine takes 80 00:03:19,509 --> 00:03:16,159 henry out of the cat 81 00:03:23,509 --> 00:03:19,519 to a vet well not any vet 82 00:03:26,789 --> 00:03:23,519 a new age vet yes in fact henrietta 83 00:03:29,110 --> 00:03:26,799 oh about a week or so ago managed to 84 00:03:32,550 --> 00:03:29,120 scratch her face 85 00:03:34,229 --> 00:03:32,560 and so my wonderful friend dr angie 86 00:03:36,710 --> 00:03:34,239 mattke volunteered 87 00:03:38,229 --> 00:03:36,720 to take henrietta to get some treatment 88 00:03:41,110 --> 00:03:38,239 so find out 89 00:03:42,869 --> 00:03:41,120 how that turned out later on in the show 90 00:03:44,070 --> 00:03:42,879 then we round off this week's show with 91 00:03:46,869 --> 00:03:44,080 the latest news 92 00:03:48,309 --> 00:03:46,879 letter from the australian skeptics what 93 00:03:50,789 --> 00:03:48,319 skeptical news 94 00:03:52,390 --> 00:03:50,799 has caught the eye of tim mendom this 95 00:03:55,830 --> 00:03:52,400 week 96 00:03:57,350 --> 00:03:55,840 more birds well i hope you find this 97 00:03:58,830 --> 00:03:57,360 episode of the skeptic zone to be 98 00:04:01,670 --> 00:03:58,840 marvelous 99 00:04:03,509 --> 00:04:01,680 inspirational and beneficial but now 100 00:04:05,509 --> 00:04:03,519 it's time for me to amble 101 00:04:06,550 --> 00:04:05,519 over to the cafe get some breakfast and 102 00:04:17,050 --> 00:04:06,560 while i do that 103 00:04:17,060 --> 00:04:22,510 [Applause] 104 00:04:43,110 --> 00:04:40,629 [Music] 105 00:04:44,710 --> 00:04:43,120 now a couple of weeks ago on the skeptic 106 00:04:48,150 --> 00:04:44,720 zone we 107 00:04:51,590 --> 00:04:48,160 took a trip into trove we 108 00:04:53,749 --> 00:04:51,600 dove into the truth dove dived 109 00:04:55,110 --> 00:04:53,759 trove is an online resource by the 110 00:04:58,390 --> 00:04:55,120 australian government 111 00:05:01,510 --> 00:04:58,400 at trove.nla.gov.eu 112 00:05:03,830 --> 00:05:01,520 it's an amazing collection of digitized 113 00:05:04,870 --> 00:05:03,840 newspapers periodicals magazines that 114 00:05:07,110 --> 00:05:04,880 sort of thing 115 00:05:08,150 --> 00:05:07,120 searchable going back decades into 116 00:05:11,749 --> 00:05:08,160 centuries 117 00:05:13,590 --> 00:05:11,759 now before we were looking at uh 118 00:05:15,110 --> 00:05:13,600 what came up when we put in the word 119 00:05:16,790 --> 00:05:15,120 clairvoyant 120 00:05:19,189 --> 00:05:16,800 well this week i thought i'd try the 121 00:05:23,350 --> 00:05:19,199 same thing again except 122 00:05:26,950 --> 00:05:23,360 i put in the words yowie hunt 123 00:05:29,990 --> 00:05:26,960 now for those of you who may not know 124 00:05:33,430 --> 00:05:30,000 a yowie in the modern sense 125 00:05:35,830 --> 00:05:33,440 is more or less a bigfoot 126 00:05:37,110 --> 00:05:35,840 yes even here in australia people think 127 00:05:39,350 --> 00:05:37,120 that 128 00:05:42,070 --> 00:05:39,360 creatures like the bigfoot are running 129 00:05:44,950 --> 00:05:42,080 around to this day 130 00:05:47,990 --> 00:05:44,960 now i first remember hearing about 131 00:05:51,110 --> 00:05:48,000 yowie's in the 1970s when 132 00:05:52,790 --> 00:05:51,120 i also heard about bigfoot so i've long 133 00:05:54,150 --> 00:05:52,800 suspected that 134 00:05:56,469 --> 00:05:54,160 people here in australia just got 135 00:06:00,710 --> 00:05:56,479 jealous and decided that we needed 136 00:06:03,749 --> 00:06:00,720 our own biped giant biped 137 00:06:05,749 --> 00:06:03,759 hence yowie fever 138 00:06:07,670 --> 00:06:05,759 and indeed yowie fever is used in the 139 00:06:11,670 --> 00:06:07,680 first article i found 140 00:06:16,150 --> 00:06:11,680 and this comes from the canberra times 141 00:06:18,629 --> 00:06:16,160 published on the 12th of october 1976 142 00:06:20,150 --> 00:06:18,639 yes and that more or less lines up with 143 00:06:24,150 --> 00:06:20,160 my memories of 144 00:06:27,430 --> 00:06:24,160 yaois from the 1970s around 1976. 145 00:06:31,749 --> 00:06:27,440 queen bien goes ape on gowi 146 00:06:34,469 --> 00:06:31,759 and queen bien is just near canberra 147 00:06:36,150 --> 00:06:34,479 yowie fever has come to the district 148 00:06:37,990 --> 00:06:36,160 since the board of directors of the 149 00:06:39,990 --> 00:06:38,000 queen bien city festival 150 00:06:42,390 --> 00:06:40,000 offered a hundred thousand dollars for 151 00:06:45,189 --> 00:06:42,400 the capture of the australian man 152 00:06:46,550 --> 00:06:45,199 like ape said to have been seen in the 153 00:06:48,950 --> 00:06:46,560 monaro region 154 00:06:49,990 --> 00:06:48,960 a television crew has arrived from 155 00:06:51,990 --> 00:06:50,000 melbourne 156 00:06:53,589 --> 00:06:52,000 telephone calls are coming in from 157 00:06:54,629 --> 00:06:53,599 people claiming to have seen the 158 00:06:58,309 --> 00:06:54,639 creature 159 00:07:01,670 --> 00:06:58,319 and festival president mr jim belshaw 160 00:07:05,029 --> 00:07:01,680 is regarding the yowie idea as 161 00:07:06,550 --> 00:07:05,039 anything but abominable the latest 162 00:07:07,990 --> 00:07:06,560 sighting was reported yesterday 163 00:07:11,670 --> 00:07:08,000 afternoon by mr 164 00:07:12,390 --> 00:07:11,680 barry costello a fence builder in the 165 00:07:16,150 --> 00:07:12,400 gugong 166 00:07:19,189 --> 00:07:16,160 dam area who said he had seen a big 167 00:07:22,070 --> 00:07:19,199 dark cray creature with a 168 00:07:22,629 --> 00:07:22,080 quote round head merging into its 169 00:07:26,469 --> 00:07:22,639 shoulders 170 00:07:27,189 --> 00:07:26,479 end quote it was about 180 centimeters 171 00:07:31,830 --> 00:07:27,199 tall 172 00:07:34,870 --> 00:07:31,840 and quote much bigger than any kangaroo 173 00:07:38,070 --> 00:07:34,880 end quote radio station 2ca in canberra 174 00:07:41,270 --> 00:07:38,080 has decided to match the 100 000 175 00:07:43,830 --> 00:07:41,280 offer for the capture of the yaoi 176 00:07:46,390 --> 00:07:43,840 and mr x gilroy the director of the 177 00:07:48,550 --> 00:07:46,400 mount york national history museum 178 00:07:49,589 --> 00:07:48,560 in the blue mountains was reported to be 179 00:07:54,150 --> 00:07:49,599 pushing ahead 180 00:07:58,710 --> 00:07:54,160 with plans to head a yowie hunt 181 00:08:01,749 --> 00:07:58,720 now rex gilroy is very famous in crypto 182 00:08:02,790 --> 00:08:01,759 zoology circles here in australia he has 183 00:08:06,230 --> 00:08:02,800 a huge collection of 184 00:08:08,230 --> 00:08:06,240 uh giant footprints made by yaois and a 185 00:08:08,550 --> 00:08:08,240 big collection of giant paw prints made 186 00:08:11,990 --> 00:08:08,560 by 187 00:08:17,990 --> 00:08:12,000 giant cats now we go 188 00:08:21,510 --> 00:08:18,000 to the 26th of october 1976 189 00:08:25,189 --> 00:08:21,520 canberra times homemade 190 00:08:27,990 --> 00:08:25,199 yaoi and there's a picture 191 00:08:29,670 --> 00:08:28,000 of a man a bearded man standing in front 192 00:08:33,269 --> 00:08:29,680 of a 193 00:08:35,990 --> 00:08:33,279 giant ape-like creature which is about 194 00:08:37,110 --> 00:08:36,000 eight feet tall mr ken tabber an 195 00:08:40,389 --> 00:08:37,120 employee of jb 196 00:08:43,990 --> 00:08:40,399 young limited queen been and the 197 00:08:46,150 --> 00:08:44,000 eowy which took him 50 hours to build 198 00:08:48,230 --> 00:08:46,160 the creature is reputed to roam the 199 00:08:51,910 --> 00:08:48,240 hills of the monaro region 200 00:08:55,509 --> 00:08:51,920 mr tabbers one is made of a wood frame 201 00:08:57,430 --> 00:08:55,519 wire and synthetic fur and is to be 202 00:09:00,630 --> 00:08:57,440 displayed at young's 203 00:09:03,829 --> 00:09:00,640 the queen being city festival committee 204 00:09:05,509 --> 00:09:03,839 and 2ca have each offered a hundred 205 00:09:09,030 --> 00:09:05,519 thousand dollars for 206 00:09:11,030 --> 00:09:09,040 capture of a real yaoi 207 00:09:12,310 --> 00:09:11,040 now let's go to the same publication the 208 00:09:16,710 --> 00:09:12,320 canberra times 209 00:09:20,470 --> 00:09:16,720 on the 1st of november 1976 210 00:09:23,829 --> 00:09:20,480 so some weeks later there's an article 211 00:09:26,550 --> 00:09:23,839 here says yowie hunt begins 212 00:09:27,670 --> 00:09:26,560 seven four-wheel drive vehicles led by a 213 00:09:30,310 --> 00:09:27,680 former british 214 00:09:31,350 --> 00:09:30,320 army captain mr doug williams of 215 00:09:34,310 --> 00:09:31,360 queanbeyan 216 00:09:35,030 --> 00:09:34,320 left queen bien yesterday on a yowie 217 00:09:37,910 --> 00:09:35,040 hunt 218 00:09:40,389 --> 00:09:37,920 the group camped last night and is 219 00:09:42,470 --> 00:09:40,399 expected to return today 220 00:09:44,550 --> 00:09:42,480 late last night no word has been 221 00:09:47,990 --> 00:09:44,560 received whether they had 222 00:09:49,030 --> 00:09:48,000 been successful now just a few days 223 00:09:52,389 --> 00:09:49,040 later here we go 224 00:09:55,509 --> 00:09:52,399 we have a report from the 4th of 225 00:09:59,190 --> 00:09:55,519 november 1976 from the canberra times 226 00:10:01,430 --> 00:09:59,200 yowie safari at weekend a public hunting 227 00:10:02,550 --> 00:10:01,440 safari is being organized to search for 228 00:10:07,190 --> 00:10:02,560 the yaoi 229 00:10:09,590 --> 00:10:07,200 at the weekend but no guns are allowed 230 00:10:11,190 --> 00:10:09,600 the queen being festival committee has 231 00:10:14,150 --> 00:10:11,200 approached mr jim 232 00:10:15,910 --> 00:10:14,160 brissiden of captain's flat to organize 233 00:10:19,269 --> 00:10:15,920 the safari with meals 234 00:10:23,509 --> 00:10:19,279 a barbecue and beer supplied at a cost 235 00:10:25,590 --> 00:10:23,519 of 15 ahead oh man i wish they'd run 236 00:10:28,550 --> 00:10:25,600 that today 237 00:10:30,949 --> 00:10:28,560 the safari will leave the main road in 238 00:10:33,509 --> 00:10:30,959 captain's flat about 10 a.m on saturday 239 00:10:35,430 --> 00:10:33,519 and head for the tindery mountains along 240 00:10:37,590 --> 00:10:35,440 the quinbian ridge 241 00:10:39,509 --> 00:10:37,600 mr brisiton said on monday that the 242 00:10:43,110 --> 00:10:39,519 safari would establish 243 00:10:45,990 --> 00:10:43,120 once and for all if there was a yowie 244 00:10:47,269 --> 00:10:46,000 around the queen being district quote 245 00:10:49,910 --> 00:10:47,279 we'll look up creeks 246 00:10:50,630 --> 00:10:49,920 rivers and in caves along the tinderi 247 00:10:53,829 --> 00:10:50,640 mountains 248 00:10:54,310 --> 00:10:53,839 to see if this yowie is fair dinkum or 249 00:10:57,350 --> 00:10:54,320 not 250 00:10:58,949 --> 00:10:57,360 end quote he said persons interested in 251 00:11:04,870 --> 00:10:58,959 joining the safari 252 00:11:06,790 --> 00:11:04,880 can contact mr president on 366-293 253 00:11:08,310 --> 00:11:06,800 wow what a what a hoot that would have 254 00:11:11,590 --> 00:11:08,320 been what an adventure 255 00:11:14,870 --> 00:11:11,600 but let's skip forward now 256 00:11:17,990 --> 00:11:14,880 about three years to 1979 257 00:11:19,990 --> 00:11:18,000 once more from the canberra times and 258 00:11:22,550 --> 00:11:20,000 this comes to us from the 15th of 259 00:11:26,550 --> 00:11:22,560 october 1979 260 00:11:29,269 --> 00:11:26,560 yowie pads spuron stalking party 261 00:11:31,030 --> 00:11:29,279 sydney hunters armed with cameras 262 00:11:33,590 --> 00:11:31,040 containing infrared film 263 00:11:35,509 --> 00:11:33,600 plan to stalk the legendary yowie in the 264 00:11:38,550 --> 00:11:35,519 blue mountains west of sydney 265 00:11:40,470 --> 00:11:38,560 in the early hours of this morning 266 00:11:42,150 --> 00:11:40,480 they hope to catch the creature 267 00:11:45,910 --> 00:11:42,160 described as half man 268 00:11:49,110 --> 00:11:45,920 half ape on film a team led by 269 00:11:51,030 --> 00:11:49,120 chief yaoi hunter mr rex gilroy 270 00:11:52,949 --> 00:11:51,040 was due to set out at 10 a.m and 271 00:11:56,310 --> 00:11:52,959 continue in rugged terrain 272 00:11:58,629 --> 00:11:56,320 in the jamison valley an area about 15 273 00:12:00,790 --> 00:11:58,639 to 20 kilometers from kitumba 274 00:12:02,550 --> 00:12:00,800 their hopes were high after being 275 00:12:05,509 --> 00:12:02,560 awakened at their bush camp 276 00:12:06,629 --> 00:12:05,519 just after midnight on saturday the 277 00:12:08,790 --> 00:12:06,639 hunters woke 278 00:12:12,230 --> 00:12:08,800 to the sound of rustling leaves and 279 00:12:14,790 --> 00:12:12,240 other noises and rushed out with torches 280 00:12:15,750 --> 00:12:14,800 but found nothing later in the morning 281 00:12:18,230 --> 00:12:15,760 however 282 00:12:19,030 --> 00:12:18,240 big footprints believed to be those of a 283 00:12:22,790 --> 00:12:19,040 yowie 284 00:12:24,710 --> 00:12:22,800 were seen leading up a hill right 285 00:12:26,470 --> 00:12:24,720 i think we can put two and two together 286 00:12:29,110 --> 00:12:26,480 here earlier 287 00:12:31,750 --> 00:12:29,120 two footprints were found in a creek bed 288 00:12:33,030 --> 00:12:31,760 and mr rex gilroy has taken plaster 289 00:12:35,269 --> 00:12:33,040 casts of them 290 00:12:36,069 --> 00:12:35,279 which he is expecting to bring to 291 00:12:38,150 --> 00:12:36,079 kitumba 292 00:12:39,750 --> 00:12:38,160 this morning the search is being 293 00:12:43,190 --> 00:12:39,760 conducted by penrith 294 00:12:45,269 --> 00:12:43,200 radio station 2 ka 295 00:12:48,150 --> 00:12:45,279 and has been joined by volunteers from 296 00:12:50,949 --> 00:12:48,160 the army's air dispatch unit at penrith 297 00:12:51,829 --> 00:12:50,959 undergoing what private dave oliver said 298 00:12:54,069 --> 00:12:51,839 was quote 299 00:12:55,750 --> 00:12:54,079 adventure training end quote and 300 00:12:58,949 --> 00:12:55,760 research on surveillance 301 00:13:00,710 --> 00:12:58,959 in rough country oh rex gilroy and his 302 00:13:02,230 --> 00:13:00,720 plaster casts 303 00:13:04,550 --> 00:13:02,240 i've seen many of them there quite 304 00:13:07,110 --> 00:13:04,560 something now speaking of rex gilroy 305 00:13:08,629 --> 00:13:07,120 once again i've come across an article 306 00:13:10,470 --> 00:13:08,639 published in the australian woman's 307 00:13:13,670 --> 00:13:10,480 weekly 308 00:13:17,430 --> 00:13:13,680 and it comes from december 1976 and i 309 00:13:21,750 --> 00:13:17,440 remember i remember seeing this article 310 00:13:25,509 --> 00:13:21,760 in 1976 when my mother used to read 311 00:13:28,710 --> 00:13:25,519 this magazine when i was a young boy so 312 00:13:32,710 --> 00:13:28,720 why not read some of this from the 313 00:13:35,750 --> 00:13:32,720 woman's weekly it's huge hairy 314 00:13:39,030 --> 00:13:35,760 and hides in the bush from cape york to 315 00:13:40,710 --> 00:13:39,040 tasmania the monster yowie prowls 316 00:13:43,189 --> 00:13:40,720 forget the fairies at the bottom of your 317 00:13:43,990 --> 00:13:43,199 garden there may be a yowie lurking 318 00:13:46,310 --> 00:13:44,000 there 319 00:13:47,590 --> 00:13:46,320 according to self-appointed yowie expert 320 00:13:50,230 --> 00:13:47,600 rex gilroy 321 00:13:51,829 --> 00:13:50,240 australia has a huge and hairy monster 322 00:13:53,590 --> 00:13:51,839 roaming the eastern states 323 00:13:55,910 --> 00:13:53,600 and there was a reported sighting in new 324 00:13:58,470 --> 00:13:55,920 guinea too the yaoi 325 00:14:00,550 --> 00:13:58,480 is different from britain's nessie and 326 00:14:03,590 --> 00:14:00,560 the yeti now the himalayas 327 00:14:04,230 --> 00:14:03,600 because our monster likes the trees and 328 00:14:07,269 --> 00:14:04,240 undergrowth 329 00:14:08,949 --> 00:14:07,279 of dry warm land 330 00:14:10,790 --> 00:14:08,959 there has been a boom in sightings of 331 00:14:12,949 --> 00:14:10,800 the yowie in the queen bien 332 00:14:14,389 --> 00:14:12,959 and hawkesbury areas of new south wales 333 00:14:16,710 --> 00:14:14,399 in the past months 334 00:14:17,430 --> 00:14:16,720 in october the queen being festival 335 00:14:19,269 --> 00:14:17,440 board 336 00:14:22,230 --> 00:14:19,279 put up a two hundred thousand dollar 337 00:14:24,389 --> 00:14:22,240 reward for the capture of a yowie 338 00:14:25,350 --> 00:14:24,399 after a goo gong damn worker was 339 00:14:28,790 --> 00:14:25,360 terrified 340 00:14:31,269 --> 00:14:28,800 when confronted by quote a dark 341 00:14:32,870 --> 00:14:31,279 grey hairy creature with its head 342 00:14:36,150 --> 00:14:32,880 merging into its shoulders 343 00:14:37,350 --> 00:14:36,160 end quote it was about 180 centimeters 344 00:14:40,150 --> 00:14:37,360 or six feet tall 345 00:14:41,030 --> 00:14:40,160 the worker insisted in the hawkesbury 346 00:14:44,150 --> 00:14:41,040 river area 347 00:14:47,189 --> 00:14:44,160 a fisherman gave chase after seeing two 348 00:14:47,990 --> 00:14:47,199 huge ape-like creatures amble into the 349 00:14:50,150 --> 00:14:48,000 bush 350 00:14:51,430 --> 00:14:50,160 he pursued them for some distance but 351 00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:51,440 retreated 352 00:14:57,430 --> 00:14:54,320 when they began pelting him with rocks 353 00:14:59,590 --> 00:14:57,440 from a high ledge 354 00:15:00,949 --> 00:14:59,600 i was just about to have a little giggle 355 00:15:03,670 --> 00:15:00,959 but the next paragraph 356 00:15:04,310 --> 00:15:03,680 begins with quote it's no laughing 357 00:15:07,670 --> 00:15:04,320 matter 358 00:15:09,110 --> 00:15:07,680 end quote says 32 year old rex gilroy 359 00:15:11,750 --> 00:15:09,120 who lives at kitumba 360 00:15:13,829 --> 00:15:11,760 in the blue mountains he is so concerned 361 00:15:16,230 --> 00:15:13,839 at getting to the bottom of the mystery 362 00:15:16,870 --> 00:15:16,240 that he set up the first yaoi research 363 00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:16,880 center 364 00:15:23,110 --> 00:15:20,240 in australia in july rex has been on the 365 00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:23,120 trail of the yowie for the past 10 years 366 00:15:27,509 --> 00:15:26,160 now the trail has become so hot that he 367 00:15:29,829 --> 00:15:27,519 has organized the first 368 00:15:30,790 --> 00:15:29,839 yowie hunt a search of the barrington 369 00:15:33,509 --> 00:15:30,800 tops area 370 00:15:34,230 --> 00:15:33,519 in the great dividing range will be made 371 00:15:37,269 --> 00:15:34,240 soon 372 00:15:39,269 --> 00:15:37,279 quote there are enough freshly taken 373 00:15:42,150 --> 00:15:39,279 plaster casts of footprints 374 00:15:44,069 --> 00:15:42,160 some yaoi footprints are as large as 60 375 00:15:47,110 --> 00:15:44,079 centimeters 2 feet long 376 00:15:49,509 --> 00:15:47,120 by 33 centimeters 14 inches wide 377 00:15:50,710 --> 00:15:49,519 to indicate that we are closing in on 378 00:15:52,790 --> 00:15:50,720 him the search 379 00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:52,800 will be a major one and i'll be choosing 380 00:15:57,670 --> 00:15:54,000 the party and 381 00:16:00,150 --> 00:15:57,680 quote rex says quote for instance 382 00:16:01,110 --> 00:16:00,160 i don't want a champion marksmen who 383 00:16:03,189 --> 00:16:01,120 volunteered 384 00:16:04,949 --> 00:16:03,199 i want the yowie taken alive for 385 00:16:07,030 --> 00:16:04,959 scientific study 386 00:16:08,150 --> 00:16:07,040 the only weapons we'll carry will be 387 00:16:11,910 --> 00:16:08,160 cameras 388 00:16:15,110 --> 00:16:11,920 and tranquilizer darts it is sad that 389 00:16:18,230 --> 00:16:15,120 whenever some rare creature is spotted 390 00:16:21,670 --> 00:16:18,240 the bush is filled with homicidal madmen 391 00:16:22,470 --> 00:16:21,680 armed with guns and quote oh this is a 392 00:16:25,269 --> 00:16:22,480 joy 393 00:16:27,990 --> 00:16:25,279 rex has a lot of yowie evidence gathered 394 00:16:30,550 --> 00:16:28,000 over the years such as stone artifacts 395 00:16:31,110 --> 00:16:30,560 too big and cumbersome ever to have been 396 00:16:34,629 --> 00:16:31,120 used by 397 00:16:37,509 --> 00:16:34,639 man and monster footprint casts 398 00:16:38,949 --> 00:16:37,519 at his mount york natural history museum 399 00:16:41,110 --> 00:16:38,959 at mount victoria 400 00:16:43,030 --> 00:16:41,120 in the blue mountains a self-taught 401 00:16:45,430 --> 00:16:43,040 geologist and zoologist 402 00:16:47,350 --> 00:16:45,440 he claims to have the largest privately 403 00:16:49,829 --> 00:16:47,360 owned natural history collection 404 00:16:51,269 --> 00:16:49,839 in the southern hemisphere he first saw 405 00:16:54,069 --> 00:16:51,279 one of the huge footprints 406 00:16:55,269 --> 00:16:54,079 when hiking over the kitumba area of the 407 00:16:57,749 --> 00:16:55,279 blue mountains 408 00:16:59,829 --> 00:16:57,759 quote they were bear prince about two 409 00:17:00,870 --> 00:16:59,839 and a half times the normal size end 410 00:17:04,470 --> 00:17:00,880 quote 411 00:17:07,110 --> 00:17:04,480 then at 3 30 pm on august 7 1970 412 00:17:08,309 --> 00:17:07,120 rick says quote i was hiking back from 413 00:17:10,630 --> 00:17:08,319 mount solitary 414 00:17:12,069 --> 00:17:10,640 when i stopped to rest on a rock and eat 415 00:17:13,990 --> 00:17:12,079 my sandwiches 416 00:17:16,949 --> 00:17:14,000 this creature jumped up from behind a 417 00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:16,959 tree scurried through the giant ferns 418 00:17:19,590 --> 00:17:17,280 and 419 00:17:20,870 --> 00:17:19,600 into the rainforest making a grunting 420 00:17:23,590 --> 00:17:20,880 gurgling sound 421 00:17:25,110 --> 00:17:23,600 that changed into a screech once it 422 00:17:27,909 --> 00:17:25,120 entered the scrub 423 00:17:28,710 --> 00:17:27,919 it was covered with hair with no facial 424 00:17:32,390 --> 00:17:28,720 features 425 00:17:34,950 --> 00:17:32,400 and had the long loping gait of an ape 426 00:17:36,310 --> 00:17:34,960 i thought it was a circus orangutan that 427 00:17:39,110 --> 00:17:36,320 had escaped 428 00:17:39,909 --> 00:17:39,120 i shot home and told dad he's an old 429 00:17:42,390 --> 00:17:39,919 miner 430 00:17:43,909 --> 00:17:42,400 and he said he'd heard of these things 431 00:17:47,190 --> 00:17:43,919 being seen before 432 00:17:49,909 --> 00:17:47,200 end quote rex took to literature 433 00:17:52,950 --> 00:17:49,919 and read eastern australian folk tales 434 00:17:56,230 --> 00:17:52,960 in which aborigines described a creature 435 00:17:59,750 --> 00:17:56,240 of quote the yowie or great 436 00:18:00,710 --> 00:17:59,760 hairy man end quote now this uh report 437 00:18:04,230 --> 00:18:00,720 goes on for 438 00:18:07,990 --> 00:18:04,240 two full pages it's fascinating stuff 439 00:18:09,190 --> 00:18:08,000 but i will just leave it for you to read 440 00:18:12,630 --> 00:18:09,200 the rest if you so 441 00:18:16,070 --> 00:18:12,640 wish apart from this paragraph which 442 00:18:17,190 --> 00:18:16,080 has just caught my eye on the page i'm 443 00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:17,200 reading 444 00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:20,080 so we read a little bit later on eric 445 00:18:24,470 --> 00:18:21,280 von daniken 446 00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:24,480 who wrote chariots of the gods gives rex 447 00:18:30,150 --> 00:18:26,720 a good hearing in his book 448 00:18:32,630 --> 00:18:30,160 in search of ancient gods and rex is 449 00:18:35,510 --> 00:18:32,640 interviewed in von danican's film 450 00:18:37,830 --> 00:18:35,520 mysteries of the gods which should be 451 00:18:39,990 --> 00:18:37,840 released in australia soon 452 00:18:42,070 --> 00:18:40,000 quote he has taken my evidence to 453 00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:42,080 support his claims of giants 454 00:18:47,750 --> 00:18:45,760 as early inhabiters of earth end quote 455 00:18:49,270 --> 00:18:47,760 anyway you can read the rest of that 456 00:18:51,110 --> 00:18:49,280 article for yourself 457 00:18:52,390 --> 00:18:51,120 i will certainly add a link in this 458 00:18:56,150 --> 00:18:52,400 week's show notes to 459 00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:56,160 uh to trove and 460 00:19:01,750 --> 00:18:59,600 how to search for yowie hunt but 461 00:19:03,750 --> 00:19:01,760 wow what an interesting little trip 462 00:19:06,230 --> 00:19:03,760 that's been in recent history 463 00:19:08,549 --> 00:19:06,240 more or less in the last decades going 464 00:19:12,150 --> 00:19:08,559 back to the 1970s 465 00:19:13,029 --> 00:19:12,160 and in fact maynard has interviewed rex 466 00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:13,039 gilroy 467 00:19:20,470 --> 00:19:17,120 for the skeptic zone in 2014 468 00:19:22,150 --> 00:19:20,480 episode 291 469 00:19:23,669 --> 00:19:22,160 and that's very easy to find if you go 470 00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:23,679 to skepticzone.tv 471 00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:26,480 click the episode link and either do a 472 00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:28,559 search or just go 473 00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:32,960 by the menu to that episode episode 291 474 00:19:38,310 --> 00:19:35,760 but there we are another interesting 475 00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:38,320 dive into the treasure trove 476 00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:41,440 that is trove from the national library 477 00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:57,750 appearing at skepticon 2020 the 478 00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:00,000 australian skeptics national convention 479 00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:03,679 professor jonty horner jaunty first 480 00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:04,240 became 481 00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:06,480 interested in astronomy after 482 00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:08,240 accidentally viewing part of 483 00:20:12,149 --> 00:20:11,280 the sky at night when he was five and 484 00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:12,159 has been hooked 485 00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:15,360 ever since now he is an astronomer 486 00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:17,840 and astrobiologist based at the 487 00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:20,080 university of southern queensland in 488 00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:21,600 toowoomba 489 00:20:25,590 --> 00:20:24,480 his research focuses on three main 490 00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:25,600 fields 491 00:20:29,350 --> 00:20:27,440 the study of the solar system 492 00:20:32,230 --> 00:20:29,360 particularly the small objects 493 00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:32,240 therein such as comets asteroids and 494 00:20:36,430 --> 00:20:33,360 medias 495 00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:36,440 the search for alien worlds and 496 00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:38,159 astrobiology 497 00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:40,720 where he is particularly interested in 498 00:20:45,909 --> 00:20:42,960 understanding the coalescence of factors 499 00:20:46,630 --> 00:20:45,919 that might place a planet in our line of 500 00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:46,640 sight 501 00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:49,360 in the search for life beyond our solar 502 00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:50,400 system 503 00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:52,799 professor jonty horner just one of the 504 00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:55,520 speakers at skepticon2020 505 00:21:02,549 --> 00:20:58,320 online for more information and tickets 506 00:21:03,210 --> 00:21:02,559 visit www.skepticon.org 507 00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:03,220 dot a u 508 00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:17,430 here's a newsletter that's come into my 509 00:21:23,830 --> 00:21:20,240 inbox from the center for inquiry 510 00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:23,840 we're not backing down from walmart 511 00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:25,919 the next step in our case against 512 00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:28,559 walmart and homeopathy 513 00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:31,440 snake oil profiteering has emerged as a 514 00:21:34,750 --> 00:21:33,679 genuine crisis during the covet 19 515 00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:34,760 pandemic 516 00:21:39,789 --> 00:21:37,039 exemplifying what we at the center for 517 00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:39,799 inquiry have been saying for years 518 00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:42,240 pseudoscientific medicine is dangerous 519 00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:44,000 and those who profit from it must 520 00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:46,559 be held accountable that's why we 521 00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:47,600 launched our ground 522 00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:49,440 breaking consumer protection lawsuit 523 00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:51,600 last year against the world's 524 00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:54,320 largest retailer walmart for its 525 00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:56,000 deceptive sale and marketing of 526 00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,240 homeopathic health products 527 00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:00,720 shelving and listing homeopathic 528 00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:02,080 medicine alongside 529 00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:05,440 real evidence-based products under signs 530 00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:05,679 and 531 00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:08,799 online listings reading quote cold 532 00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:11,919 and flu remedies end quote walmart 533 00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:14,400 is deceiving its customers by equating 534 00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:15,919 real medical treatments 535 00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:20,000 with the fakest of all fake medicines 536 00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:23,520 in may walmart convinced a dc superior 537 00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:24,400 court judge 538 00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:27,840 to dismiss our case on two grounds 539 00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:31,200 first that the cfi lacked standing 540 00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:32,880 because we were not a consumer 541 00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:34,720 protection organization 542 00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:36,960 second that we failed to show the harm 543 00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:39,039 of walmart's deceit 544 00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:41,679 if that sounds ridiculous to you it 545 00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:42,720 should 546 00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:45,760 homeopathy wastes consumers money fails 547 00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,480 to treat any condition whatsoever 548 00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:50,799 and in the worst case can result in 549 00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:52,240 sickness or even death 550 00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:55,360 and as for cfi's standing well you 551 00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:56,720 certainly know better 552 00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:00,240 for more than 40 years cfi has stood 553 00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:02,240 on the side of consumers fighting for 554 00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,919 science-based medicine over quack 555 00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:05,039 alternatives 556 00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:06,480 combating pseudoscience and 557 00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,080 misinformation about 558 00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:10,640 vaccines and other health issues and 559 00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:11,760 advocating for 560 00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:14,000 stricter regulation of homeopathic 561 00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:16,000 products for goodness sake 562 00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:17,840 we're the home of quack watch and the 563 00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,240 society for evidence-based medicine 564 00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:22,080 this week the center for inquiry 565 00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:24,240 submitted its appeal to the district of 566 00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:25,200 columbia 567 00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:28,559 court of appeals leveraging its nearly 568 00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:31,520 unlimited financial resources walmart 569 00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:32,159 will keep 570 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00:24:52,000 skepticzone.tv 602 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:00,380 you 603 00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:10,870 [Music] 604 00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:19,110 now on last week's show we more or less 605 00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:20,960 devoted the whole episode to 606 00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:24,559 promoting the dragon con event skeptrak 607 00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,559 in particular and now it's all over 608 00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:30,480 i'll give you a little report on what i 609 00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:31,760 thought about the 610 00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:41,990 first of all i want to say it was 611 00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:42,880 fabulous 612 00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,320 it was so enjoyable what a top lineup of 613 00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:48,480 speakers they had 614 00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:51,440 including such interesting people as uh 615 00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:52,799 lynne kelly 616 00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:56,240 from australia abhijit chanda from india 617 00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:57,440 gave a talk 618 00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:00,640 we also had a famed 619 00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:03,520 uh investigator of fraud psychics bill 620 00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:05,520 nygard 621 00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:08,559 leo igwe made an appearance 622 00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:11,360 susan gerbic from gorilla skepticism on 623 00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:17,510 ben radford and celestia ward 624 00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:20,559 and that is just to name but a few 625 00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:23,039 now of the interesting talks presented 626 00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:25,919 by skeptrak from atlanta georgia 627 00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,400 now one of the things that really put 628 00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:30,720 the icing on the cake was the 629 00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:34,320 amazing technical presentation so 630 00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:37,679 each talk each interview was presented 631 00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:40,400 as if it was in a marvelous studio 632 00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:43,679 with our lovely host uh dr angie mattke 633 00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:46,799 or sometimes there was uh derrick 634 00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:47,760 collinduno 635 00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:50,720 and even mark ditzler was in charge of 636 00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:52,880 one segment but it was astonishing to 637 00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:55,120 see how slick the production was 638 00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:57,360 there was angie for example in the 639 00:27:02,310 --> 00:26:59,919 studio at her desk and then suddenly 640 00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:02,320 a live cross all around the world to 641 00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,760 india to australia 642 00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:06,080 to various parts in the united states 643 00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:07,600 where the guests would appear on a 644 00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:10,000 monitor and 645 00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:13,200 enjoy some live interaction now for my 646 00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:14,320 part i appeared 647 00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:16,080 here from sydney australia from the 648 00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:18,080 skeptic's own studios 649 00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:21,039 and helped introduce my segment then 650 00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:22,480 played a pre-recorded 651 00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:25,039 lecture and then afterwards i was able 652 00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,679 to come back 653 00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:27,760 live and take uh questions from the 654 00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:30,399 audience from all around the world 655 00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:33,279 that was most enjoyable and here is a uh 656 00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:35,039 a clip a segment of uh 657 00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:38,159 one of those questions okay well um 658 00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:38,880 susan 659 00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:41,039 gerbic has asked you to suggest three 660 00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:42,480 books for people 661 00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:44,320 who uh to read that are just starting 662 00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:46,840 out in skepticism something 663 00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:49,120 something 664 00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:51,600 flim flam lin flam absolutely james 665 00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:52,480 randy 666 00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:55,760 i have that one yeah the demon horned 667 00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:56,799 world 668 00:28:02,470 --> 00:27:59,840 yep that's a good one by carl sagan and 669 00:28:04,389 --> 00:28:02,480 a book i've read twice now in the last 670 00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:04,399 six months the skeptic's guide to the 671 00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:05,520 universe 672 00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:08,720 an excellent primer on skepticism oh 673 00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:11,200 well that sounds good not just the 674 00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:12,640 podcast the book is 675 00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:16,000 is uh very good i mean as an 676 00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:17,840 experienced skeptic of 20 years 677 00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,520 listening to this book 678 00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,840 um just reinforced a lot of things to me 679 00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:23,760 and i learned a lot of new stuff 680 00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:26,399 and uh it's yeah i would absolutely 681 00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:27,679 recommend that and then there's well 682 00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:29,200 there are many books the mask of 683 00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:30,000 nostradamus 684 00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:32,159 is a terrific read by james randy again 685 00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,600 the faith healers 686 00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:36,240 by james randy is a book that makes you 687 00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:37,039 angry which is 688 00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:38,720 which is excellent so yeah there's a 689 00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:41,360 good catalogue of material out there 690 00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:43,520 now it's worth mentioning something i 691 00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,120 heard many years ago 692 00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:48,000 which i think is called the first law of 693 00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:48,480 the sea 694 00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,440 or something like that gremlins get into 695 00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:53,520 everything in other words 696 00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:54,880 every now and then there are going to be 697 00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:56,480 technical hitches especially when you 698 00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:58,720 think of the complexity 699 00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:01,919 of what the what they were doing hooking 700 00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:03,360 up to people all around the world 701 00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:05,200 sometimes even on a split screen so that 702 00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:06,799 has one person from this part of the 703 00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,919 world 704 00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:09,679 leo iguay for example another person 705 00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:11,200 from another part of the world with 706 00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:14,080 angie in the studio or hooking up so 707 00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:16,240 naturally every now and then 708 00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:18,080 something goes slightly amiss with the 709 00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:19,919 the technology but that's just to be 710 00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:21,200 expected and it's 711 00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,600 perfectly okay i think the audience 712 00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:25,200 understand 713 00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:28,080 now dr angie mackie what a wonderful 714 00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:29,200 host she was 715 00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:32,480 for most of uh skeptrak this year she 716 00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:33,840 was uh 717 00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:36,640 enthusiastic she was funny and she 718 00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:39,039 conducted interviews very well 719 00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:41,200 never never seemed flustered by 720 00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:43,039 technical errors or anything like that 721 00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:44,880 she just got on with it well done dr 722 00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:46,159 angie 723 00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:48,880 now you can enjoy these talks or most of 724 00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:49,919 them i think 725 00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:53,200 if you go to www dot skip 726 00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:56,559 track dot com and that's s 727 00:30:03,990 --> 00:29:59,760 k e p t r 728 00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:04,000 a c k dot com and that will 729 00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:06,080 give you a redirect directly to the 730 00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:07,679 youtube page 731 00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,110 a big congratulations to dr angie mackey 732 00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:17,600 derek connanduno and mark ditzler from 733 00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:18,080 the 734 00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:22,000 calico cove studios who did a 735 00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:24,720 superb job this year presenting skip 736 00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:31,510 but naturally we hope by this time next 737 00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:32,399 year we 738 00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:36,399 we just might be able to enjoy dragon 739 00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:38,320 con more or less in its uh 740 00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:41,039 traditional format with monsters and 741 00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:42,080 wookies and 742 00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:44,480 creatures from time and space running 743 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:45,360 all around 744 00:31:03,420 --> 00:30:51,170 atlanta georgia 745 00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:04,630 [Applause] 746 00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:07,519 canberra skeptics proudly present radio 747 00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:08,799 girl the story 748 00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:11,840 of the extraordinary mrs mack pioneering 749 00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:12,559 engineer 750 00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:16,000 and wartime legend this zoom event will 751 00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:16,799 be on the 752 00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:20,240 15th of september 6 pm to 7 pm 753 00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:22,799 australian eastern standard time join 754 00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:24,799 canberra skeptics as they host a webinar 755 00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:25,600 with author 756 00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:29,039 david duffy on his book radio girl 757 00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:31,360 the story of the extraordinary mrs mack 758 00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:34,159 pioneering engineer and wartime legend 759 00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:37,039 this book is about violet mackenzie as 760 00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:40,000 the clouds of war gathered in the 1930s 761 00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:42,080 she defied a convention and trained 762 00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:44,320 young women in morse code 763 00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:46,480 for seeing that their services would 764 00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,399 soon be sorely needed 765 00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:50,640 always a champion of women she was 766 00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:52,880 instrumental in getting australian women 767 00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:55,360 into the armed forces questions for the 768 00:32:01,750 --> 00:31:57,760 webinar can be sent via zoom 769 00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:01,760 either before or during the event 770 00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:04,000 that's radio girl the story of the 771 00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:05,679 extraordinary mrs mack 772 00:32:12,830 --> 00:32:08,960 pioneering engineer and wartime legend 773 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:19,000 www.canberryskeptics.org 774 00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:26,830 [Music] 775 00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:30,720 hello hi good morning welcome 776 00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:34,000 welcome to the chakra harmony universal 777 00:32:38,830 --> 00:32:36,159 medicine practice 778 00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:38,840 or chump for short chum 779 00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:40,720 [Music] 780 00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:44,320 henrietta it's okay it's okay oh yes 781 00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:47,120 oh yes i saw your online promotion that 782 00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:49,360 said that you also cater for animals 783 00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:52,799 oh yes in fact all animals from 784 00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:55,760 animal animals to human animals we use 785 00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:56,000 the 786 00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:58,480 latest in alternative alternative 787 00:33:03,509 --> 00:32:59,440 medicine 788 00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:03,519 including intuitive rocky energy healing 789 00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:07,360 roki don't you mean reiki no no no 790 00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:11,039 we used to use reiki but discovered roki 791 00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:13,919 works even better it's one of the new 792 00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:15,120 alternative 793 00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:24,000 yes we like to see ourselves as being 794 00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:27,039 in the forefront of the new new age 795 00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:30,080 and not the new age which is now just 796 00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:30,559 the 797 00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:35,120 alternative 798 00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,360 oh dear what a sweet little cat 799 00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:45,360 now what seems to be the problem with 800 00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:47,519 her oh it looks like a little scratch on 801 00:33:50,420 --> 00:33:49,360 her face got infected 802 00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:50,430 let me see 803 00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:00,630 hmm there you go 804 00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:03,360 okay i think she needs some 805 00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:04,880 accu-function 806 00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:08,320 healing crisp bowls low meiopathy 807 00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:11,679 chirodractic reflexmology and 808 00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:14,960 mobile supplements um 809 00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:19,040 right and then she must go on a lemon 810 00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:23,280 retox diet retox 811 00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:26,639 retox i i was thinking she would need a 812 00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:28,240 little antiseptic or something 813 00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:31,280 oh you mean anti-skeptic no no 814 00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:38,950 the more i look at her the more i think 815 00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:39,760 she may 816 00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:43,359 even need alternative alternative 817 00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:46,879 alternative medicine yes 818 00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:51,040 some flacky muncher mealing blisters 819 00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:54,320 phloemy apathy scarozaptic 820 00:35:01,230 --> 00:34:57,599 tree lexmology and mobile 821 00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:01,240 supplements trelaxmology verbal 822 00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:04,480 supplements th this is getting 823 00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:05,200 ridiculous 824 00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,960 is there someone else here that can give 825 00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:08,480 me a second opinion 826 00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:12,079 a second opinion well yes 827 00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:16,880 uh dr pontius have you got a moment 828 00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:18,640 yeah sure i can finish typing this 829 00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:19,920 letter later 830 00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:22,720 he's from sweden you know oh sweet and 831 00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:23,920 new 832 00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:27,680 ah now dr pontis have a look at this cat 833 00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:29,920 what would you recommend for that 834 00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:31,839 scratch on her face 835 00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:39,589 yeah that that's tricky that infection 836 00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:40,800 could spread 837 00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:42,880 i think we need to use alternative 838 00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:44,880 alternative 839 00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,920 yeah i'd recommend mapulancha carrying 840 00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:53,760 blisters from myopathy 841 00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:56,079 skyrobeleptic free textilology and 842 00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:57,680 snowball supplements 843 00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,880 you see now we could ask our other 844 00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:02,160 colleague what they think 845 00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:06,640 no no enough already map you luncher 846 00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,560 map you luncher what the hell is that 847 00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,240 that's when you get to find some lunch 848 00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:14,800 with a map while your cat is treated 849 00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:18,560 oh you do can i find some 850 00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:21,680 wine as well oh yes 851 00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:26,160 you can but that is only if you use 852 00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:29,040 alternative alternative alternative 853 00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:30,240 alternative 854 00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:37,040 and that is flap you cruncher bee sting 855 00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:38,079 mistles 856 00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:42,640 stone meology lyrocractic free sexology 857 00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:47,119 and nibble flop laments and wine 858 00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:51,680 how much is all of this 1965 swedish 859 00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:52,320 kona 860 00:37:08,390 --> 00:36:56,560 oh do i get to have lunch with you sure 861 00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:08,400 sign me up 862 00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:11,680 skeptics cafe online from victoria 863 00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:15,359 australia no matter where you are in the 864 00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:16,240 world 865 00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:20,000 join us on the 21st of september 2020 866 00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:23,520 for a live online talk 867 00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:26,480 richard saunders presents highlights and 868 00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:27,440 low lights of 869 00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:31,200 20 years of skeptical investigations 870 00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:32,880 richard will take you on a journey 871 00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:35,280 covering 20 years of skeptical work 872 00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:38,079 and adventures what was found at the 873 00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:39,760 haunted school 874 00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:42,000 what did the water diviners of victoria 875 00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,760 say after attempting to win the 876 00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:45,680 australian skeptics a hundred thousand 877 00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:48,000 dollar prize 878 00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:50,560 how did an afternoon in adelaide lead to 879 00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:52,800 the downfall of a multi-million dollar 880 00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:55,760 company in california 881 00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:58,160 why did saunders sleep under a table in 882 00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:00,640 las vegas 883 00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:03,440 how did a tv news show stitch up the 884 00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:04,720 skeptics 885 00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:11,430 join us via zoom 8 pm for a chat 886 00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:14,560 and then the talk 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00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:57,280 the next news item says chiropractors 935 00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:00,560 ignore board advice the chiropractic 936 00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:04,720 board of australia cba has proved to be 937 00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:07,280 a failure in ensuring its members follow 938 00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:08,560 its own advice 939 00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:11,599 in a statement made in march 2016 940 00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:14,319 the cba made the following advice on use 941 00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:15,920 of antenatal treatments 942 00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,960 largely webster technique chiropractors 943 00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:20,880 are not trained to apply 944 00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:23,359 any direct treatment to an unborn child 945 00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:25,280 and should not deliver any treatment to 946 00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,880 the unborn child 947 00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:28,400 chiropractic care must not be 948 00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:30,319 represented or provided as treatment to 949 00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:31,839 the unborn child 950 00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:35,119 as an obstetric breach correction 951 00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:38,560 technique however a random survey of 952 00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:40,880 chiropractors websites by skeptical 953 00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:41,920 activists 954 00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:44,079 has shown that a high percentage of 955 00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:45,040 chiropractors 956 00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:47,920 are still doing this in 2016 shortly 957 00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:49,119 after the statement was 958 00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:52,680 made skeptics alerted the cba to 959 00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:55,520 140 websites that promoted webster 960 00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:56,720 technique 961 00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:00,960 they repeated the alert in 2017 and 2019 962 00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:03,440 in may this year a further review was 963 00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:04,560 made revealing that 964 00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:07,839 45 of the original 140 965 00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:10,319 are still promoting their treatment of 966 00:42:16,430 --> 00:42:11,839 antenatal babies 967 00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:18,950 5777 chiropractors registered in 968 00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:20,000 australia 969 00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:23,119 if a random survey is any indication 970 00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,920 there could be close to 2 000 971 00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:27,119 chiropractors 972 00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:30,800 ignoring the advice the cba 973 00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:34,000 has been asked for comment next item 974 00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:34,720 says 975 00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:37,680 pete evans remember celebrity chef pete 976 00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:38,240 evans 977 00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,680 in northern new south wales the 978 00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:45,359 increasingly strange 979 00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:48,640 paleo beat is promoting the night cap on 980 00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:51,359 min jumble alternative sanctuary at 981 00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:53,040 mount borough near nimbun 982 00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:56,079 a hot spot for anti-vaxxers it's 983 00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:59,520 very tribal and new ageish the last time 984 00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:01,280 this sort of thing was tried 985 00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:03,520 on the same site it fell apart in 986 00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,000 recrimination and court action 987 00:43:10,829 --> 00:43:08,160 now just a little note for me for those 988 00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:10,839 people internationally 989 00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:13,119 nimbin well especially when i was 990 00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:14,560 growing up in the 991 00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:17,440 70s and the 80s nimbun was just 992 00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:18,720 considered to be 993 00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:22,319 hippie central australia alternative 994 00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:24,079 lifestyles and views and things like 995 00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:25,359 that 996 00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:28,720 the next item says africa declared 997 00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:31,280 free of polio and don't forget these 998 00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:32,480 items are actually 999 00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:35,040 links so you can read more information 1000 00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:37,680 for yourself when you get the newsletter 1001 00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:40,880 now it says it takes four years of 1002 00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:43,680 no cases for an area to be declared 1003 00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:45,040 polio free 1004 00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:48,240 following a vaccination drive in nigeria 1005 00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:51,280 africa has achieved that status need any 1006 00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:54,000 more examples of how vaccination works 1007 00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:56,720 here's another item banned naturopath 1008 00:44:02,390 --> 00:43:59,119 still spreading the word 1009 00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,400 naturopath barbara o'neill who has a 1010 00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,400 lifetime prohibition order against her 1011 00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:06,560 from the new south wales health care 1012 00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:08,160 complaints commission 1013 00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:10,240 is apparently giving lectures to a 1014 00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:11,839 health retreat 1015 00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:15,119 in alabama the weeks-long events 1016 00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:18,800 are being held via zoom so the question 1017 00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:22,160 is is she breaking the order 1018 00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:25,359 by doing it presumably from new south 1019 00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:26,240 wales 1020 00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:28,880 and here's another one pseudoscientific 1021 00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:31,920 therapy is actually backed by science 1022 00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:35,280 how can they be pseudoscience if they're 1023 00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:37,200 backed by science 1024 00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:38,640 and that would make them science 1025 00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,720 wouldn't it this article looks at a few 1026 00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:42,480 altmed practices 1027 00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:44,960 that might actually work its heart is in 1028 00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:46,800 the right place ending with 1029 00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:49,280 if you dig deep enough you can probably 1030 00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:51,200 find evidence to support just about any 1031 00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:51,920 claim 1032 00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:54,000 but the quality of that evidence is what 1033 00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:56,079 matters as this claim stood up to the 1034 00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,440 scientific method 1035 00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:59,520 is it widely accepted in the scientific 1036 00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:00,560 community 1037 00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:02,720 how trustworthy are these sources making 1038 00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:03,760 the claim 1039 00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:05,440 answers to these questions can help 1040 00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,880 anyone draw the line between 1041 00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:08,240 pseudoscience 1042 00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:11,520 and science we applaud the review of all 1043 00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:12,480 practices 1044 00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:14,880 but it is a hard slog getting off the 1045 00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:16,720 shaky ground 1046 00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:20,319 where most alt-med practices lie 1047 00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,960 now there are many more items and links 1048 00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:24,400 in the newsletter 1049 00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:27,040 and it also mentions some upcoming 1050 00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:28,240 events 1051 00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:30,160 many skeptics groups are running their 1052 00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:31,440 regular skeptics in the pub 1053 00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:32,240 get-togethers 1054 00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:35,119 online some talks but you must bring 1055 00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,319 your own beer 1056 00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:38,640 check your local guides to see when such 1057 00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:40,079 activities are on 1058 00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:44,400 and when normal service may recommence 1059 00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:46,160 normal service will be resumed as soon 1060 00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:48,079 as possible we all hope 1061 00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:51,119 for example on september the 15th the 1062 00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:54,800 canberra skeptics are hosting radio girl 1063 00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:56,640 the story of the extraordinary violet 1064 00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:57,599 mackenzie 1065 00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:59,520 on september the 16th we have perth 1066 00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:00,720 skeptics in the pub 1067 00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:02,480 a skeptic's guide to spotting logical 1068 00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:04,079 fallacies and 1069 00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:08,079 21st of september vic skeptics cafe 1070 00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:11,520 richard saunders hmm highlights and low 1071 00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:13,599 lights of 20 years of skeptical 1072 00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:16,480 investigation hmm i think i'll go and 1073 00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:17,520 see that one 1074 00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:20,319 and on the 1st of october sydney 1075 00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:22,319 skeptics in the pub are very pleased to 1076 00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:22,960 host 1077 00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:26,480 ben radford the famed 1078 00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:29,359 investigator of all things strange now 1079 00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,240 it says 1080 00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:32,240 if you have any ideas for stories or 1081 00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:33,920 want to contribute to skeptical 1082 00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,040 communications 1083 00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:38,160 such as the magazine or facebook page 1084 00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:39,520 or just have something you want to get 1085 00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:41,440 off your chest then you're welcome to 1086 00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:42,720 get in touch 1087 00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:45,839 news leads should be sent to news 1088 00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:49,520 tips at skeptics.com 1089 00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:51,440 and submissions to the magazine the 1090 00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:53,119 journal the skeptics should go to 1091 00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:56,960 editor at skeptics.com 1092 00:47:01,990 --> 00:46:58,880 so those people especially listening in 1093 00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:02,000 australia if you uh have an idea for a 1094 00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:07,040 report book review possibly a news item 1095 00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,560 anything to do with the paranormal 1096 00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:10,400 pseudoscience alternative medicine that 1097 00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:11,280 sort of stuff 1098 00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:13,280 why not get in touch with tim mendom the 1099 00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:15,520 editor of the magazine and who knows 1100 00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:18,480 you could well end up in print there are 1101 00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:19,760 more items here 1102 00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:22,400 one about the flat earth and one about 1103 00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:23,599 what's this 1104 00:47:28,710 --> 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00:48:35,520 take it easy 1120 00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:45,200 [Music] 1121 00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:47,200 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1122 00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:50,480 zone i'm still here in the park enjoying 1123 00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:53,920 the nice early morning 1124 00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:56,960 uh day here let's see where are those 1125 00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:59,200 birds gone they'll probably be back 1126 00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:01,680 a guy with these remote control car 1127 00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,440 where's he 1128 00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:05,760 oh he's right over the other end of the 1129 00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,640 park he's probably chasing it i think 1130 00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:10,720 thank you to those people oh and thank 1131 00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:12,240 you to those birds just flying overhead 1132 00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:13,760 wow 1133 00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,480 another bird it's a crow more lorikeets 1134 00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:18,000 thank you to those birds and people who 1135 00:49:21,710 --> 00:49:19,359 continue to 1136 00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:21,720 support the skeptic zone at 1137 00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:23,440 www.skepticzone.tv 1138 00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:25,440 without your ongoing support there would 1139 00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:27,040 be no 1140 00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,319 skeptic zone as simple as that and i 1141 00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:32,880 appreciate everybody who does support 1142 00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:34,960 oh i think the cars coming the remote 1143 00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,720 control car might be coming back this 1144 00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:38,640 way 1145 00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,400 and just in the last few days 1146 00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:44,400 uh apart from the australian skeptics 1147 00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:46,960 newsletter arriving in my inbox was 1148 00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:49,359 the uh electronic version of the skeptic 1149 00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:51,920 the journal from australian skeptics 1150 00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:55,520 and there's an article uh by me 1151 00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:57,680 apart from other articles uh 1152 00:50:02,630 --> 00:49:59,200 concentrating on 1153 00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:02,640 the uh corona cloud 1154 00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,200 upload service and this is something 1155 00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:07,200 we've spoken about before on the show 1156 00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:08,720 if you go to the show notes you can see 1157 00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:11,119 how you can upload your own 1158 00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:14,400 corona conspiracy finds if you find 1159 00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:15,040 something 1160 00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,920 shady or wonky about claims of uh 1161 00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:19,359 coronavirus and 1162 00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:22,160 magical health cues you can upload that 1163 00:50:25,829 --> 00:50:22,800 to a 1164 00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,839 online resource and i think in the 1165 00:50:29,390 --> 00:50:27,599 future that might prove to be very 1166 00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:29,400 beneficial you can check that out at 1167 00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:30,559 skepticzone.tv 1168 00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:33,359 in the show notes and just to remind you 1169 00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,000 once again 1170 00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,240 not too long now before the early bird 1171 00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:37,920 tickets for the australian skeptics 1172 00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:40,240 convention skepticon 2020 1173 00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:42,000 expired then you'll have to pay a bit 1174 00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:43,359 more 1175 00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:47,040 so if you're going to go by that i mean 1176 00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:50,960 watch online now's the time to uh 1177 00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:54,480 to buy your tickets hello what's that 1178 00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:58,160 a jet wow 1179 00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:00,640 they're not very common these days 1180 00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:04,319 there you go a jet flying over 1181 00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:06,880 i wonder where that's going to and 1182 00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:08,640 there's a corgi 1183 00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:14,790 wow well it's all excitement in this 1184 00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:17,520 park folks but for this week 1185 00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:20,000 with the nature and crazy things 1186 00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:21,200 happening all around me 1187 00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,960 this is richard saunders signing off 1188 00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:24,720 from yo park 1189 00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:27,440 not far from the skeptic's own studios 1190 00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:36,079 sydney australia 1191 00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:37,920 you've been listening to the skeptic 1192 00:51:42,510 --> 00:51:39,359 zone podcast 1193 00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:42,520 please visit our website at 1194 00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:43,920 www.skepticzone.tv 1195 00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:47,040 for show notes contacts and to access 1196 00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:48,960 the back catalog of episodes 1197 00:51:54,549 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